Posted on 03/12/08 in Media, Communication, Politics

Fantasy and Failure

JACK
We could not overlook commenting on Eliot Spitzer. The news of his infidelity broke like a burst of thunder that echoed around the world. Ignoring what we may believe to be the political implications, he certainly shattered his own personal world. I have had several discussions with people of all ages with the single question…why? How can an intelligent politician (maybe that is an oxymoron) completely destroy his personal and political life, and shatter the hopes of so many who looked at him as a dynamic leader with an enormous future? As intelligent as Mr. Spitzer is, he certainly has to know deep inside that he had to be caught. As a matter of fact, every action almost begged to be found out. And does this mirror many millions of men and the distance they’ll go to satisfy their sexual drives? Do you think that his acts were the result of his desire for a different experience?

HILLARY
If his desire was for a different experience, he might have considered asking his wife to meet him at a hotel for a little role-playing. This is not the 1950s when most women would be totally shocked to hear that their husbands had fantasies. I think that it’s more than just looking for something different. I think it’s about power. When one does something illegal there is an added thrill. There are books, and music, and movies dedicated to giving people an insight into the criminal underworld. Perhaps he spent so much time immersed in the underworld, prosecuting criminals, that he became intrigued by it. If it’s just about sex with someone other than your spouse, I have no understanding of that.

JACK
First of all, meeting his wife in a strange place would not satisfy the fulfillment of something different. There are so many different factors that enter into a man’s sexual personality that I wouldn’t dare to explain it, even if I understood it. I only know through experience that I have seen many intelligent men do remarkably stupid things in a similar situation. I realize that this is headline news, and is dominating the airwaves, and I do believe that this much attention could only occur in the United States, and in this day and age. Many of our great political leaders have had multiple affairs, starting with Jefferson and Franklin, and going on to the modern day – possibly excluding Nixon and Truman. But even in these cases, they didn’t openly call on a prostitute through easily identifiable means, like email and the telephone. In realizing the extent of this activity, I am inclined to believe that prostitution should be made legal with the institution of proper inspection and oversight. If I were to guess at Spitzer’s motivation I would have to think that part of his satisfaction would be derived from the fact that using a prostitute seems to be impersonal, and there is no involvement.

HILLARY
But the fact that he was using traceable means of communication suggests to me that he was knowingly taking the risk of being caught. If he simply wanted a hooker, he probably could have found one on the street that would have been untraceable. Instead, there are phone calls, and emails, and instant messages, all of which he knows can be discovered. There must have been some kind of added thrill that he was pushing the envelope on getting caught.

JACK
I could never figure what drives people into action that is illegal, immoral, or dangerous. We always read about brilliant business people who hatch a Ponzi-type scam, with the full knowledge that at a certain point in time they would have to be caught. I believe that there is no real increase in stupid acts by bright people. The difference is that in the 21st century, in the United States, the media is all over it. Today, I find it almost impossible to get some hard news in what’s happening in Iraq, Afghanistan, the economy or the election because the airwaves are dominated by the scandal of the moment. Once again, it is just there and we must suffer through it.

HILLARY
On a more micro note, is there anything that a wife can do to ensure that her husband doesn’t seek the attentions of another woman?

JACK
Yes. She must find some way of remaining incredibly desirable and ready to fulfill her husband’s fantasies. As I say that, I realize that there is no such marriage and no such woman.

HILLARY
So, the answer is no. All marriages will have to suffer through infidelity?

JACK
I do not say that. I am sure that there are happy and fulfilling marriages with total fidelity In the real world, there is no such thing as perfection - it is up to each of us to come as close as we can.

HILLARY
It seems like it all comes down to choice. People can choose to stray from their spouses, or they can choose to communicate with their spouses to try and find some satisfaction within the marriage. None of this sounds easy, but people always have the choice to do the right thing. Most of the women in my age group have been exposed to pornography and are fairly open-minded. It is very sad to think that one of their husbands would choose a prostitute over sharing a desire with them, because most of them would likely attempt, at least, to fulfill it.

JACK
This is truly remarkable. Your generation has overcome all the roadblocks that my generation would choose to ignore. I do not know of anybody past 65 who would be ready to share feelings that would have been called “perversion” in earlier days. I guess Mr. Spitzer at 49 just hasn’t kept pace with most people in your generation.

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3 Comments


  1. Hi Hillary and Jack - I too was amazed at the news of Eliot Spitzer’s infidelities. I think the hypocrisy and irony associated with his own public persona added to the shock value and the level of media attention.

    The larger question you raise - are all marriages doomed to infidelity — is particularly interesting to me, as a newly married man (4 months). I can tell you unequivocally that I love my wife completely, and there is no chance that I could even begin to think about straying outside of my marriage for anything. My wife completes me, and she inspires me to be a better person.

    Perhaps a large reason for the infidelity that exists is that many people get married for reasons other than truly being in love with their spouse? I think that if you find the person who is right for you, and the love is there on both sides, the chances of infidelity are greatly reduced. Today more than ever, unfortunately, people tend to get married for many reasons, but few of them have to do with loving the other person.

    Scott

  2. Only fools would tread in this arena. I have heard as many reasons for infidelity as there are speakers on the subject. The strangest one came from a man I greatly respected who claimed it made his marriage better and he recommended it to the younger men in his company. Dr. Laura echoed Jack’s comment that a wife could easily prevent the infidelity of her husband if she took care of him properly. Most wives, including mine, were shocked at this position by a woman.
    What made the Spitzer affair so impressive was the Elmer Gantry aspect of it. If he had been an ordinary office holder he could have survived. If he had been liked by many he could have survived. But the combination of Gantry and no political friends did him in.
    Since there is no advantage in pursuing this topic any further I will stop here with the comment that no subject since these blogs began showed the difference in the generations as this one did. I thoroughly enjoyed the discussion of both of you and of course Scott.

    Dave Braun

  3. I totally agree with scott. I think that young people get married with their first love, or because of social pressure and i know what it is like to be single!
    But I also think that once you are married both side should take care of the other not just financially but really care and listen to the other and see what is wrong and try to be there.
    I have my parents’ marriage as an example and I know that they bother have to work every day on their relationship. Dad would come home at 8 30PM after work and say to mom, oh no get the other skirt i don’t like this one. And my mom goes straight to her room get change just for him, just for a few hours together! I think that is why they have been together for more than 47 years and still say I loveyou to each other!
    you guys have a saying taht says “it needs two to tango” and i do think that we have a one side perspective here with this polical fiasco but in the meantime what do we care how he wants to have sex? what is the big deal since the government in the first place does not do anything to avoid the prostitution and the business that goes behind it?
    What is more disappointing I think is all the beautiful speeches he has been giving us about prostitution and how to solve the problem and I do hate to think what the women who do this thought and felt about being so let down.

    Sophie Morel

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